{"id":73714,"date":"2020-05-11T09:30:55","date_gmt":"2020-05-11T00:30:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/?p=73714"},"modified":"2020-03-31T11:04:08","modified_gmt":"2020-03-31T02:04:08","slug":"3-can-i-call-you-onee-a-discussion-on-lgbt-issues-with-bourbonne-and-associate-professor-moriyama","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/news\/2020\/05\/11\/73714\/","title":{"rendered":"[#3] Can I Call You \u201cOnee?\u201d: A Discussion on LGBT Issues with Bourbonne and Associate Professor Moriyama"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-73780 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/05\/section_3-610x349.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"610\" height=\"349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/05\/section_3-610x349.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/05\/section_3-768x439.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/05\/section_3.jpg 843w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><\/p>\n<h3>#3 Removing the \u201cErotic\u201d Will not Eliminate Discrimination<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Q.\u3000What are your thoughts on NHK\u2019s My Brother\u2019s Husband?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nThe author of the original work, Gengoroh Tagame, is well known both inside and outside the gay community. I think it\u2019s a landmark work.<\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nTagame said that he created My Brother\u2019s Husband in order to inform people about the gay community. I think it\u2019s an interesting read for straight people, but for the gay community, it\u2019s not that entertaining.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-73745 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/image3-610x452.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"610\" height=\"452\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/image3-610x452.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/image3-768x569.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/image3.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Caption: Gengoroh Tagame\u2019s My Brother\u2019s Husband from Action Comics<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Tagame is a creator of pornographic material published in gay magazines and is well known around the world as an artist of gay erotica. His material encompasses a wide array of steamy material, including material that depicts\u3000\u25a0\u25a0\u25a0\u25a0\u25a0\u25a0.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q.\u3000Unfortunately we\u2019re going to have to redact that bit&#8230;[laughs]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nWhat!? Wouldn\u2019t you consider immediately scrapping erotic material a form of discrimination!? You\u2019re looking down on us, aren\u2019t you? You better toughen up and write \u25a0\u25a0\u25a0\u25a0\u25a0. [laughs]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q.\u3000Wait, what?!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nHaha, sorry for picking on you. But in all seriousness, it\u2019s because erotic discussions are censored that sexual minorities, and women, have difficulties talking about sex.<\/p>\n<p>The producers of such work are aware of this, too. In a lot of contexts, there are attempts to eliminate the erotic aspects in order to \u201cclean up\u201d the messaging. Although this can help spread the message to a wider audience, I don\u2019t think we can truly eliminate discrimination without coming face to face with sexuality, including the erotic aspects.<\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nTagame has pointed out that although he has no issues opening exhibitions overseas for his erotic works, he is unable to do so in Japan. My Brother\u2019s Husband has been successful, but many in the gay community argue that it doesn\u2019t represent the true value of Tagame\u2019s work.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Q.\u3000Moriyama, in a different interview, you commented that Gengoroh Tagame is \u201cone of the most important figures in Japan\u2019s gay culture.\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nI mean, it\u2019s hard to deny when you look at his work! His work, which depicts hidden risque sexual fantasies, calls upon readers\u2019 senses and stimulates desires they never realized they had. It\u2019s difficult for someone in my position, a faculty member, to freely discuss their own sexual fantasies.<\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nI see you\u2019re getting defensive, professor.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-73756 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5446-610x407.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"610\" height=\"407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5446-610x407.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5446-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5446.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nNot at all!<\/p>\n<p>[laughs]<\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nThough the gay community is gaining more acceptance, don\u2019t you feel that people used to talk more openly about erotic subjects?<\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nNow that you mention it, yes. Even straight people will hesitate and ask, \u201cIs it okay if I ask about this?\u201d instead of just enjoying the conversation.<\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nIt\u2019s not necessarily that I want them to ask, it\u2019s just frustrating that there is an atmosphere in which it\u2019s okay to talk about the gay community but not erotic subjects. I appreciate that the attitude towards homosexual couples and families is changing, but I feel resistance towards the tendency to pigeon hole everyone into that framing.<\/p>\n<p>This is why someone like Tagame, who continues to stir up sexual fantasies, is a very important figure.<\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nOnce you feel the sun, you start to dislike being in the shadows. I\u2019m glad LGBT discussions are being treated seriously, but I dislike having the erotic world forced underground and taken away from us.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-73758 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5300-610x407.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"610\" height=\"407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5300-610x407.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5300-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5300.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Moriyama<br \/>\nWith that said, current generations probably don\u2019t feel they are being robbed of anything. If you ask younger people, many of them will say they prefer there isn\u2019t any erotic material. The younger generation of sexual minorities probably doesn\u2019t feel the same \u201cshadow\u201d that we felt.<\/p>\n<p>Bourbonne<br \/>\nIt\u2019s a generational gap. When everything is depicted in a squeaky clean way, sexuality begins to be perceived as tainted. While it appears pristine at first glance, this tendency leads to discrimination towards the LGBT community and women. I believe we need to free ourselves from this.<\/p>\n<p>This is why I will continue to say dirty jokes! Eventually we\u2019ll start to see chinks in the armor. After all, people aren\u2019t so clean cut.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-73759 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5625-610x407.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"610\" height=\"407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5625-610x407.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5625-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/assets\/uploads\/2020\/03\/xxx5625.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>#3 Removing the \u201cErotic\u201d Will not Eliminate Discrimination Q.\u3000What are your thoughts on NHK\u2019s My Brother\u2019s Hus [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3613,"featured_media":73756,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-73714","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73714","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3613"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=73714"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73714\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":73784,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73714\/revisions\/73784"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/73756"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=73714"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=73714"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.waseda.jp\/inst\/weekly\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=73714"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}